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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Lloyd Evans: Bad Associations Spoil Useful Profits

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

So his livestream, which was meant to get control of the situation, instead made things worse

TonusOH - Excellent post, I think you accurately summed up the last year for him.

Regarding the livestream, I found this comment which was a little off script for him in its honesty as to where his mind was at.

He does acknowledge it was a bad idea to go live like that, but he misses the point entirely. No words were misconstrued. Perhaps he means he didn't exactly say the words "I saw sex workers in Thailand" in the livestream, but in his "update" that he mentions he admits to seeing sex workers (plural) in Thailand. Thus, he completely obliterates that line of argument and immediately makes it worse on himself.

He's an extremely poor liar who by his clumsy attempts it appears has never really been called out for being one before. Not by his parents, his wife, and most exJWs up until that point. He's someone who thinks everyone should and will trust what he says as coming from a position of authority. Possibly a bit of that elder mentality he has held onto (sorry Tibor).

It's also worth noting that the pic of the Thai girl he was with had not been circulating at the time of the livestream which was probably why he omitted any direct reference to visiting sex workers there. When he released his "update" on 4 February, the pic was out, he knew he was caught and needed some explanation about meeting young women in Thailand. He gave a convoluted explanation which was not well thought out, and then only compounded further when he told Andrew Gold he was dating a sex worker.

The prudent thing to do as pr0ner had pointed out was to wait and see what information was out there and work out his response once he knew the extent of the damage. In his arrogance he thought he could mitigate all damage immediately and have the guns turned on Kim and others. This arrogance of his was the weak point in all this, and it cost him dearly. 405 patrons now and the month is half over. His begging bump have been mostly reversed. The information is out there, and people are reading about him and what he did. It's insanity to give this guy any money and though people may still watch his content, they'll think twice about hitting the Patreon button.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

I probably should take him up on the challenge too, since my name would probably come up if him and Lloyd were discussing the goings-on at JWN.

Dear Tibor,

For the record, I have never subscribed to the green screen theory. I believe what sparked it was misplaced curiosity as to whether Lloyd had been kicked out. Not sure if I said this out loud, but I felt that it wasn't in Dijana's nature to kick Lloyd out like that. As it turned out, both of us were correct and even when Lloyd was living in Zagreb he was still using the bunker for a period of time. So, I think we can move on from the green screen controversy, since it was only a minor point to begin with and only a certain handful of people were espousing it. You were right, and the handful here who thought differently were wrong. So, deal or no deal?

You have stated you would answer questions if written to you in a respectful manner. In your reply to Jonathan Burger, you kept refusing to answer things you did not know or had proof for. This is great, and if so, feel free to give me the same response if applicable. So, I am going to try to ask things you definitely would know, such as your thoughts on certain matters.

I posted that exchange between you and Producer Bob on Lloyd's Andrew Gold interview's livechat. Do you care to explain how PB and Kim were the main reasons Dijana was "unwell" relative to what Lloyd did to her last year? Remember, the Gold livechat was on 14 April 2022, thus 2 and a half months from the time of the livestream. Is this firsthand knowledge you've obtained from Dijana herself or was the information from Lloyd? If you did speak to Dijana, was Lloyd in the room? Was it a group chat where Lloyd was present? I ask because it's important to know that she was not under any pressure to lessen any of the blame that was rightfully his.

How did you hear of Lloyd frequenting sex workers? Kim's statement? Lloyd's livestream? Or was it before? How do you feel about it, particularly of his statements regarding dating and seeing sex workers in Thailand?

Have you and Lloyd had an in-depth discussion of what his activities in Thailand entailed as well as his infidelities including sex workers? If so, would it be too much to ask for you to give a summary of it?

How did you feel about what Lloyd did to Dijana? There are many so I'll bullet point them. Please do keep in mind screenshots exist supporting all of these questions:

Lloyd's open marriage proposal as outlined in his email
The WhatsApp chat where Lloyd claims he still loves Dijana, "despite all your faults" (Note: This was sent from him in Thailand in response to Dijana catching the pics he took with the sex worker and asking for a divorce)
Frequenting sex workers "2-3 months for 3-4 years"
Lloyd telling the world that Dijana didn't sexually satisfy him (Note: Kim did NOT leak this. Lloyd did in the livestream)
Lloyd's history of infidelity ranging back to 2008 when he was sexting girls as he put it.

Knowing Dijana personally, why do you think she released all this information to third parties?

What are your personal concerns regarding this whole scandal? Have you expressed these concerns to Lloyd and if so, how did he respond?

What are your concerns relating to the damage this has done to Lloyd's business, i.e. Ipsilon Media of which you are a paid employee of? Have you directed any of this to Lloyd? What has been his response? Have you advised him upon any of his subsequent actions?

Do you feel that Lloyd is in any way compromised by his activities in Thailand, and do you understand the way this looks to others as a CSA activist and sex worker enthusiast leaving his wife for a solo trip there?

Do you feel that you being employed by Lloyd and thus financially dependent upon him has influenced some of your decisions and behaviour after the livestream? Do you think your opinion might be compromised? Why or why not?

Have you personally done anything to help Dijana and the girls completely independent of Lloyd? This can include counsel, company, gifts, dinner, basically anything you can think of to make her feel better and supported.

Being a natural born Croatian national, I feel you'd know more about the Croatian legal system than anyone here or Lloyd. What are your thoughts regarding the validity of Lloyd's "criminal lawsuit" as filed in Sisak Municipal Court? Is Lloyd really trying to hold foreign nationals to the Croatian Criminal Code for alleged crimes committed outside Croatia's borders? Or is it something else we just don't understand about the court system there?

Do you feel it is valid for Lloyd to call the seven people he is suing "criminal defendants" when none of them have been served or summoned by the Court?

Regarding the 4 September 2022 statement by Lloyd (I have screenshots if you dispute this): Lloyd said he would chase Kim and the others down until he was 84 years old or until his dying breath if necessary. He stated he would travel to Australia amongst other places to enact this "justice". What are your thoughts regarding these threats? Is Lloyd right to pursue them this way for 40+ years? Do you think it helped your business or did it only stir things up worse?

What are your thoughts on Lloyd's actions in the aftermath, including continued threats (screenshots will be provided if you are wondering), petulant behaviour on social media and him intentionally seeking conflict? Does this help his activism or more accurately, business?

Can you point to anything Kim or any of the other 7 people being sued has said that is false? Lloyd refuses to answer this, but I thought you might. If you can bring something to light that is demonstrably false, it would go a long way toward getting a retraction and possibly even an apology from the offending party.

Did Lloyd tell you how he dated a sex worker in Thailand? Do you know what Lloyd meant by saying he met more than one sex worker there, and the female in the pic that was circulated was not one of them?

Has anything Lloyd presented either to you personally or otherwise factually untrue? Please provide examples if so.

Do you feel that Lloyd has contradicted himself in any way regarding the livestream vis-a-vis the 4 February FB statement and other statements made on social media?

Why have you chosen to remain in Lloyd's employ? Is it solely for the money or do you have other interests in supporting Lloyd's work?

Where did you get the term "JW Mindset" and its definition from? Was it from Lloyd, or have you come to these conclusions yourself with no influence from him?

I'll end it with this: In a way, I feel you've been caught in the middle of all this exJW infighting. However, you are firmly on Team Lloyd with your various statements made and of course the video you made. I truly hope you can come to peace with this. For someone who has actually met all members of the Evans family, I hope your association with them is beneficial and not one-sided towards one party and their interests. It is my sincere hope that you can move on from Lloyd Evans and obtain employment that really utliises your talents. Fair is fair, and should you have any questions please ask away.

Signed,

Self-Indulgent (Lloyd called me this once. It was quite flattering coming from him)

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What is your favorite EX- JW You Tube site and why???

by Balaamsass2 in

the mrs (third gen) and i have been on this site for a number of years now.

we appreciate simon's efforts to keep this site active and available.

i find a number of pimo jw friends enjoy youtube for some reason.

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Telltale has more patrons

LOL. He had easily over double of what Telltale had over a year ago.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Just wanted to point out that I was personal friends with Oompa (Eric)

I saw your post on that thread about Oompa trying to gift you a moped when you were stuck taking the bus. It was pretty touching. I gave a simple condolence message, but it was clear that he had a huge effect on many people in the forum.

As for Lloyd, he was trying to take the lead in something, even when the deceased was hardly known to him. Always policing the threads, making unsolicited comments about what Oopma would or would not have liked despite not knowing him.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Now imagine, he keeps HIS BIG MOUTH SHUT!!!! Never says a word to anyone.

That's the thing - he didn't want to. He wanted to brag about his sex life to others as if were a rite of passage or something. There wasn't anything wrong with paying for sex while still being married in his mind. He's only sorry about being caught.

Starting with the Andrew Gold interview almost a year ago he began backing off his admission of seeing sex workers in Thailand, undoubtedly due to his belated recognition that this was indeed the issue here, not an extramarital affair. In the livechat of the Gold interviews you'll find a few interesting posts from known Lloyd supporters. ExCultBaby had their own YT channel, was on Lloyd's several times, and regularly appeared with him on Talking Heathen. Evidently they exchanged PMs about the matter and Lloyd confirmed he did see sex workers in Thailand, calling him a liar for his comments to Andrew Gold on dating one.

This interaction between Producer Bob and Tibor was interesting. Tibor was sending Bob abusive texts blaming her and Kim for making Dijana "unwell". Lloyd's own actions including humiliating her on the livestream mattered little to this weasel.

Like his boss, when confronted with inconvenient information, call the other person out for lies and don't elaborate any further:

Dijana could have kept her mouth shut too. I'm glad she didn't and let people know what kind of a monster her husband is, but it was purely her choice to not only tell the stories but to bring the receipts like the emails, WhatsApp chats and Lloyd's pics taken in Thailand. I've thought about that and her involvement in all of this. Telling someone something messed up in confidence is one thing, but providing the receipts is another. It is almost like she knew some info would leak and Lloyd would immediately try to quash it and lie his way out of. When Kim's statement was posted, the first thing Lloyd probably did was ask for or probably more likely, grab her phone from her as he did in his book to see what she told Kim and PB. He knew he was caught and that's the thinking which led into him making that livestream. His humiliation of Dijana and their sex life was likely payback for her sending out all that information.

So Tibor, the White Knight calls out PB and Kim via text for making Dijana "unwell". He knew full well Lloyd did far more damage to her in real life and on the livestream and was going to do it yet again on the Andrew Gold show, but whatever. It's always someone else's fault.

Kim and PB bear the least amount of responsibility as both parties in that marriage released a lot of private and damaging information. The very fact Lloyd continues to lie about it per exCultBaby's comment above is why we're still talking about it.

He paid for sex in Thailand. It's been verified and admitted to. Anyone telling you otherwise is lying.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

We might be able to tell the tale of JLE by My Book of Bible Stories illustrations. I’ll try.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

I wonder if that's what he did when he was growing up as a JW. Sucking up to elders, scheming is way up to have ''privilege" in is cong. putting down to the elders ,other JW that he could see would maybe get ahead of him

There used to be a few UK posters who were in the same circuit as him and they described seeking a tall and awkward looking man with a huge nose always going into the CO's tent at the assemblies. He was one of those types who'd put himself forward as the CO's unofficial assistant, fetching coffee and doing other errands.

This poster called himself "Tony Cain" after a notorious UK CO who had a bad reputation.

I agree with your premise that he was a climber both within the organisation and outside. I feel that coming from a rigid hierarchical organisation and into a loose association of former JWs who had no leader or leadership, he saw an opportunity for himself to get appointed in the top slot.

Read the story about him demanding a podium here:

Lloyd Evans – “Where’s my podium?”

Also , am I right to say that when his father in law attic was being turned into a decent place to live , for FREE by some Belgium contractor ? He was busy having Hissy "intellectual" (or Mental ) Fit on this forum? Instead of HELPING THEM ?

Here is the account from Lloyd's book about how Patrick Haeck both paid for their holiday and built their attic space.

Even so, we knew there was a missing ingredient. We were now on our own, adrift from any real sense of community. Our geographical isolation in a quiet rural village 20 minutes’ drive from the nearest town did not help. Apart from my occasional games of football with some of my fellow villagers, we did not really interact with our neighbors—certainly not with the closeness that we were accustomed to in the Witness fold. So when an ex-JW Facebook friend, whom I had previously only met on Skype, asked whether I wanted to join him and his family for a holiday on the Croatian coast, our rather precarious financial predicament left us with a dilemma. Do we play it safe and stay at home for the next few days to conserve funds, or do we throw caution to the wind by spending what little money we have on a trip to the coast for a holiday with virtual strangers? To this day I still cannot fully explain why, but something told me this was something the three of us needed to do—even if we could not justify it financially. Patrick Haeck was a charismatic Belgian with an infectious smile who was a fan of my work on JWsurvey. Based on our Skype conversations, he seemed the sort of person I could enjoy spending time with—and I felt we needed all the friends we could get. I thus spent the week just before our proposed rendezvous sending out emails to any translation clients who owed us money, pleading with them to pay. But when the day came for us to drive out to meet Patrick at his rented apartment in Pula, our bank account total was still depressingly close to zero. I sent out another flurry of emails, hoping that at least somebody would pay straight up. Finally, two or three payments trickled through on PayPal. We now had just enough money to buy some diapers for Jessica and put some fuel in the tank for the four-hour drive. We threw our things in the car, and off we went! On our arrival in Pula, Patrick came to meet us at a pre-arranged roadside location (the place where he was staying was hard to find) before leading us on to his rented apartment. With him was his wife Belinda, his two daughters and one of their boyfriends, together with another Belgian family of ex?Witnesses including four school-age children. We were warmly greeted and immediately felt at ease in the relaxed vibe of our new friends, who immediately set about preparing a barbecue banquet. Especially noticeable was the hum of children running around carefree and having a good time—something we simply had not experienced since we were last in company with Witnesses. Over fine Belgian beer and grilled barbecue fare we chatted about our shared experience and I learned of how the other couple who were staying nearby, Bjorn and Priskilla, were close to Patrick because he had always looked out for Priskilla, an abuse victim, since his days as an elder.
We were invited to stay with Patrick’s family. His daughter and her boyfriend even gave up their room and slept on the couch so we could be comfortable. As the vacation went on, we felt more and more cocooned in an atmosphere of unconditional love and friendship. We both noticed how eerie it was that, in the five days we spent with Patrick and his expanded family, whom he jokingly referred to as his “cult,” we never witnessed one dispute or acrimonious outburst— something we were both accustomed to from vacationing with Witness friends and family. Our time with Patrick was precisely what we were in need of: a reminder that we could still enjoy that special sense of community despite no longer being in a cult. We just needed to put forth a little effort to find it.
It was not long after we returned home that our uplifting vacation experience received something of an encore. Patrick telephoned and asked if it would be agreeable for him and Belinda to come visit us before they headed back to Belgium. They had just dropped their youngest daughter off at Zagreb Airport (which is only an hour from where we live) because she needed to get home more urgently. They wanted to see where we lived, even if it was only for a brief visit. I told them that of course they could come, but I knew before I put the phone down that it would be complicated to entertain our guests. Firstly, despite some small progress, our apartment was still barely habitable. At that stage we were still without a working bathroom. We basically only had a bedroom and a large unfinished space, containing our desks and computers, framed by a bare brick wall and some windows. By now, we were accustomed to such basic conditions, but how would our guests react? Secondly, Dijana’s parents were downstairs and would almost certainly shun our guests if they needed to go down and use the building’s only bathroom. As soon as Patrick and Belinda arrived, we ushered them upstairs and put on a small buffet for them. We showed them around and explained our modest progress since first arriving in 2009. At one point, Patrick went downstairs to use the bathroom. Thankfully, however, there was no awkwardness with Dijana’s parents, who had secluded themselves in their room (I suppose, in their own way, this was their version of showing kindness—by not putting themselves in a position where they would have to be unkind). As hard as Patrick and Belinda tried, it was difficult for them to conceal their shock at our circumstances. Normally very exuberant and talkative, Patrick stared at the walls and ceiling, apparently deep in thought. “I can see you’re shocked. This is pretty basic, but we’re hoping to improve things,” I said, trying to lighten the mood. “I’m not shocked,” he replied. “I’m just trying to think how I can help.
Shortly after saying this, Patrick excused himself and went outside to his car. He returned with a carry?case full of various tools, all neatly organized and strapped with velcro. “These are yours. Don’t worry, I can easily get a replacement box,” he said. I thanked him for the thoughtful gesture, which went above and beyond my expectations. After all, Dijana and I were happy simply to belong to such a fantastic group of friends after so recently being cut adrift from our Witness community. But I was to learn that Patrick had more help in mind while he had been carefully studying our walls and roof, as would become clear in future Skype and Facebook conversations. Patrick knew that Jessica did not yet have her own bedroom, and he noticed our roof was without insulation with winter approaching. His idea was to return two months later and remedy both those problems himself—which is exactly what he did. To this day, Dijana and I pinch ourselves when we think about it, but I suppose when you have good friends with a willingness to help, this is the sort of magic that can result. Patrick, Belinda, their daughter Oriana and soon-to-be son-in-law Matthias drove across Europe in October 2014 and rolled up on our driveway to begin what they called their “humanitarian mission.” They brought with them a huge trailer, every last square inch of which was crammed with tools and materials, including enough drywall and floor laminate for Jessica’s room, and enough insulated ceiling panels to finish the ceiling for the whole apartment. Though one or two of their friends back in Belgium had kindly contributed toward the materials, the majority was paid for out of their own pockets.
After Mission HQ had been established downstairs in Dijana’s parents’ part of the house (they had vacated beforehand for a few days —again, to avoid any awkwardness) Patrick and Matthias set to work almost immediately by punching a hole through the wall of the “cave” that would be Jessica’s bedroom window. Within three days of relentless high-intensity work, which continued to as late as 2 or 3 a.m. some nights, Jessica had a new bedroom complete with wallpaper, laminate floor and furnishings from IKEA. The half of the open space in our apartment where we spent most of our time also now had a ceiling with insulation. Not content with all that, Patrick left me enough ceiling panels for me to finish the other side of the apartment and a giddying amount of tools and equipment for future work—the total value of which I dare not estimate. We could never have dreamed of such kindness from our Witness friends or family who were shunning us, which made it even more special. And, perhaps sweetest of all, it was a source of wonder for Dijana’s parents when they returned from self-enforced exile to behold what our “mentally diseased” and supposedly self-absorbed apostate friends had created for their granddaughter Another two months passed, and Dijana, Jessica and I again found ourselves reunited with our “happiness cult”—the Haeck family and friends—this time in Belgium for what would be our first ever Christmas celebration. We were invited to stay for four weeks over Christmas and the New Year, during which time we enjoyed more gratuitous lashings of fun and laughter. The simple joy of going for a drink with friends and making a complete idiot of myself, something I had not been able to do for years, was revisited with Patrick, Matthias and Bjorn as my partners in crime on a night out in Ghent. (The evening climaxed with me being discovered, inebriated, in a compromising situation with a Christmas tree.)

What stood out to me about that was he freely admitted that after buying diapers and fuel for the trip, they had next to nothing in their bank account. (Similar story to not being able to afford his daughter's haircut). He went to Pula expecting his holiday to be paid for which it was.

I think he exaggerates his poverty when it suits him. In this case he wanted a free holiday and for his attic to be finished. It was the beginning of a long pattern of grift and relying on the generosity of exJWs for getting what he wanted.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Hell, I'm not sure if it's even still up?

JW Watch Reddit is up but I can't access it because I was never a member. If I am remembering correctly, Producer Bob was the owner who set it up on behalf of JW Watch. Amanda Blackett/Leica Fox is a Cedarite dolt who will contort herself in every possible way if it means protecting Jabba the Hutt and as a mod she was starting shit there, always in his favour. I believe Bob removed her as a mod and then removed herself, leaving it unmoderated. No new members can be added so it is effectively dead.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Forgot this one.

He actually thanked himself for getting sbf reinstated when he was the one who insisted he was banned in the first place.